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intelligent as completely nuts.

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Your Commander-in-Chief, the President of the United States.

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America sees itself as a no-nonsense place where solid values are instilled in the people by rational leaders.

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But what happens when the leaders turn to crazy ideas?

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I used to put out there in the old west, I wanted posters that said wanted, dead or alive.

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All I want, America wants him brought to justice.

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In the weeks after September the 11th, I started hearing rumors that the FBI were using psychics to predict future terrorist attacks, and that wasn't all.

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A former CIA man told me that the US Army used to secretly undertake thought-death experiments, try and kill things just by staring at them.

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I said that seemed unlikely, and he said that's because I wrongly believe that our leaders are rational people.

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This whole area is just crazy, and there's just as much nuttiness within our CIA and the Defense Department as there is outside of it.

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Why is that?

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Because people are basically nutty.

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That means there's lots and lots of people out there in high places in our government who believe in these far-out things.

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Dr. Hyman came to meet us at the Suitablee Surreal Las Vegas at the end of 2001.

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He said he didn't know much more because these things were highly covert, but he did give me some pointers.

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I found people all over the Defense Department and all over some of our other agencies.

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There were people who would learn to fast and go on a vegetarian diet, then a biotic diet, and then they actually could fast for days without having to eat food at all.

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And they also would learn martial arts, but they also would learn to walk through walls, and they were going to learn to pick up other people's thoughts and stuff like that.

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And this was a serious business, you know, some people were actually pushing this.

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I said I should try and find out what was going on if these things are alive today in the war on terror, and he said good luck.

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I don't know what's going on.

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There's an area where, you know, it's a funny area, you know, and it's a mess, by the way.

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It's very hard.

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Fine-pixing suddenly became a dictate of the United States, because I couldn't figure it out.

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I couldn't track all this down.

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There's no way, you know, these agencies work by themselves and there are people who work independently of the agencies they work in, you know,

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and you get all kinds of loose cannons running around there.

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It's just a mess.

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And so, for the past three years, ever since my meeting with Ray Hyman,

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I've been piecing together the secret history of these experiments and tracing their ongoing impact on George W. Bush's America.

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This film is about how it all began in the 1980s with General Stubblebine and the goats.

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The U.S. Army is still bruised from its defeat in Vietnam.

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Recruitment is a strong and strong weapon of the United States.

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The U.S. Army is still a strong and strong weapon of the United States.

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The U.S. Army is still a strong and strong weapon of the United States.

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It is the summer of 1983. The U.S. Army is still bruised from its defeat in Vietnam.

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Recruitment is at an all-time low.

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Hey, First Sergeant. Good morning.

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Over at Military Intelligence Headquarters, Major General Albert Stubblebine,

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who has 16,000 soldiers under his command, is secretly trying to walk through his office wall.

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You know, the electron or the atom is made up mostly of space.

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Okay, well, my space is made up of atoms.

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The wall space is made up of atoms. All you got to do is merge the spaces.

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I didn't master it. John had never got there. Didn't do it.

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I just haven't figured out how my space fits through that space, because I kept bumping my nose.

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General Stubblebine has never before spoken publicly about these things.

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He said he was confounded by his continual failure to walk through his wall.

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Maybe he thought he just had too much in his intray to give it the requisite level of concentration.

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I didn't, couldn't, wouldn't. No. Couldn't is the wrong word.

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I'd never got myself to the right state of mind. Okay?

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And if you really want to know, it's a disappointment. That's a disappointment.

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The general had no doubt that the ability to pass through walls would one day be a common tool in the US military arsenal.

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This might herald the dawning of a world without war, because who would want to mess with an army that could do that?

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The general, like many of his contemporaries, was still bruised by his memories of Vietnam.

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The general was sure that these powers were attainable, so the only question was, by whom?

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Who in the military was geared towards this kind of thing? And then the answer came to him.

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Special Forces live!

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You'll lift your right now, pick up the step, you'll lift your right, you'll lift your right now, pick up the step, you'll lift your right.

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If you think about the Special Forces, they are massively oriented on the ability of an individual first, okay, to do things that an ordinary man can't do.

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But I made trips down the Fort Bragg and tried to energize people.

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Back in Las Vegas, the CIA psychologist Ray Hyman said that the agency had asked him to evaluate General Stubblebine around the time of his trip to Fort Bragg.

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Lieutenant General Albert Stubblebine III, I think, or the second, actually, was.

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And this is somebody very high up in a minute.

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He was the head of Army Intelligence, so we've got to have supermen. Each of our operatives has got to be at least as good as two or three people.

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He had people going spoon bending parties. And I once asked his successor, and I asked him if he had been forced to go to a spoon bending party,

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and he said, oh yes. I said, what happened? He said, well, the spoon's bent.

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He says, but he says I couldn't see any military application of it, so I didn't think much of it.

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General Stubblebine told me that he decided to start soft with special forces because he didn't want to alarm them with his big ideas about walking through walls.

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So instead, he produced from his bag bent cutlery, and this is what he told them.

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If you take a look at that spoon, you can see that that's wrapped pretty tightly.

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It doesn't function as a spoon very much anymore. Look at this fork.

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I don't know whether you can see all of the twists and turns in that fork, but that's another example.

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And the key in all of this has nothing to do with bending metal. It has nothing to do with that.

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Okay? What it has to do with Lord mercy, if I can do that with my mind, what else can I do?

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But without much avail. It wasn't clear where they thought I was nuts in any event.

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The reaction that I got was, we're not very honest.

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The general felt he had nothing to lose, so he suggested one last idea to special forces.

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He said they should maybe try and stare at animals and make their hearts explode.

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So what did you say to them?

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I said, wouldn't this be a neat idea? If you could teach somebody to do this.

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I mean, I wasn't going to try that on a human.

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I left with my tail tucked behind my, you know, my legs and walked away.

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Because I really thought it was a great idea.

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For the past 20 years, General Stubblebine has assumed that they considered his animal staring idea to be crazy.

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I assumed it too, but then I went to see a special forces sergeant called Glenn Wheaton.

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Ray Hyman had told me that Glenn was part of a secret early 80s paranormal military unit called Project Jedi.

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You've gone from the front door to the back door, but how many chairs in the house that you know?

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You know, you probably can't tell me how many chairs in my house.

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The super soldier would walk through your house and know how many chairs there were.

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Yes, he would know where all the lights were, where all the power outlets were.

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That would be as a point of observation.

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Most people are poor observers.

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They don't know, they haven't even got a clue about what's really happening around them.

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In Project Jedi, what was the layer above observation and that kind of stuff?

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Intuition.

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Is there some way we can develop you so that you make correct decisions?

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Like, you know, somebody runs up to you and says, hey, there's a fork in the road.

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Do we turn left or do we turn right?

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And you go, we go right.

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What were the other kind of extreme theories that were sort of mooted?

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We had a master sergeant that could stop the heart of a goat.

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Just by looking at it?

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Just by wanting the goat's heart to stop.

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And could he actually do it? Did the goat's heart stop?

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He did it at least once.

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So, but not really an area that you want to go to unless you get, you know,

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not really an area that you really want to go to.

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he actually did some damage to himself as well.

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Sympathetic injury.

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So it wasn't as if the goat was psychically fighting?

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The goat didn't have a chance.

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It just happened down at Fort Braggat where it was called goat lab at the time.

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So had Special Forces stolen General Stubblebine's idea or was it a coincidence?

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Had they been staring at goats anyway and they just didn't want him interfering?

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And was the goat staring back post 9-11?

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I decided to try and find the answer to these questions.

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Glenfiller, independently minded, independently made.

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My shop is round the clock.

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My bank, clocked off.

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My Indian, it's local.

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My bank, India.

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My barber, a person.

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My bank, a robot.

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We believe in another way, more people in branch.

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UK call centres only and phones answer 24-7.

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My patience, exhausted.

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My account, switched.

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The Callaghan family must behave like aristocracy for six weeks to win £50,000.

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A lady and he's the rule.

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You may be a lady, but you ain't no f***ing head of me.

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But what they don't know is, it's their own staff judging them.

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What the Butler saw Thursday at 10 on 4.

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I called Fort Bragg and asked if I could see Goat Lab,

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but they said they didn't know what I was talking about.

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But they let me film shots of the base and off camera,

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a military public affairs man whispered to me

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that Goat Lab was just across the road from this building.

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Someone else told me that Goat Lab used to be called Dog Lab,

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but nobody wanted to do all that to dogs, so they switched to goats.

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I felt I was getting close to a great army secret.

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Glenn says that the master sergeant who could stop the heart of a goat

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was called Michael Echanus.

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How did he get sick as a result of stopping the goat's heart?

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To generate enough power, to generate enough force.

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Force of intent.

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To damage the goat, he damaged himself.

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His heart was damaged.

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Can you do that?

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Not really.

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Can you not do it because you don't want to,

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but do you have the power to stop a goat's heart?

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No, I don't think I have the power to stop a goat's heart.

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I kind of think that if one trained themselves to get to that level,

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what did the goat ever do to me?

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You know, why that goat?

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I had many questions.

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Were they staring at goats again post 9-11?

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Could I find Michael Echanus?

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And how did this all begin?

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Who was the inspiration behind the war-walking and the goat's staring?

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It's a name few people outside the military have ever heard,

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but it turns out that this one man started the whole thing.

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His name is Lieutenant Colonel Jim Shannon.

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Welcome to my home.

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And you, if you want to pass through these gates,

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you have to be part mystic and prepared for everything.

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That will surprise you and part visionary

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to imagine the very best that could happen to you

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and therefore create your best shopping list.

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Why are you unlike my mental picture of a Lieutenant Colonel in the US military?

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Because you haven't seen many.

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Yeah, the only reason that you have a funny picture of us

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is because you've been watching too many movies

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made by people who don't know anything about it.

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Jim Shannon's story begins during the Vietnam War.

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That's 30 days under combat conditions

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and I had more like 15 months.

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But this is real stuff.

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It's the only one that, you know, in the end really counts

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if you want to have any credibility.

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Being in Vietnam eight years without a satisfactory conclusion

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left us as an army thinking that, you know,

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we've got to change some things here.

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I mean, in Vietnam I felt like tire rubber, frankly.

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The politicians, like, waived me off.

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I had the right to leathers to the mothers and fathers

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of the soldiers who were killed in my unit.

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When I came home I couldn't even watch my daughter be born in a hospital.

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Hello.

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Jim says that in Vietnam the US army was guileless and kind-hearted

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and many of his men were killed because they impulsively fired high,

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missing their targets,

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and there just weren't the killing machines that the army wanted them to be.

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I find that the kind of human being that is attracted to military service

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has a great deal of difficulty being cunning.

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We suffered in Vietnam so much from not being cunning.

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We just presented ourselves, you know, in our righteousness

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and got our butt shot off.

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if he could go on a fact-finding mission.

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He wanted the army to learn how to be more cunning.

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The Pentagon, bruised like Jim from Vietnam, agreed.

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Jim decided that the best place to learn cunning

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was from the emerging New Age movement of California.

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Jim's first stop was here at Essalon in Big Sur.

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Can you have some fun with this back?

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If you can kind of have a conversation with this back,

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tell it how you feel about it right now, how you're feeling right now,

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what's going on.

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Really let it come from you.

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See if you can express yourself in your back.

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And everywhere I went I told them what I was up to,

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that I'm part of a military think tank,

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and I'm here to learn whatever I can, and they helped me immensely.

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Were they surprised?

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Yeah, they were surprised and happy.

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After visiting 150 Californians, Jim returned from his journey in 1979,

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and he wrote a confidential paper designed for the military's eyes only.

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In Jim's first Earth Battalion, soldiers would carry baby lambs into hostile countries.

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They'd greet the enemy with sparkly eyes and an automatic hug.

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The new battlefield uniform would include a loudspeaker

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that would automatically hear the sound of the gun.

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The battlefield uniform would include a loudspeaker

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that would automatically emit indigenous music and words of peace.

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If this wasn't enough to pacify the enemy,

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the loudspeakers would be switched to broadcast discordant sounds

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like acid rock music out of sync to bombard and confuse the enemy.

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Soldiers would learn to fast on juice for a week

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and eat only nuts and grains for a month.

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They would fall in love with everyone, sense plant auras,

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obtain the power to pass through objects,

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stop their own hearts with no ill effects,

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have out of body experiences,

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have the ability to massage and cleanse the colon,

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stop using mindless cliches,

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stay out alone at night,

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and be able to hear and see other people's thoughts

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until they became super warriors, warrior monks.

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Do you actually believe that it is possible

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for somebody to reach such a high level of warrior monkdom

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that they could do things that ordinary people just could never do,

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like for instance becoming invisible or walk through walls,

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or stuff like that?

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Well, people under extreme pressure have been known,

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pregnant women have been known to lift up automobiles

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when their child was under it.

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We could expect the same from a warrior.

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Now Jim had to sell his ideas to the army's top brass.

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He convened a make or break meeting at Fort Knox.

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And as I was flying toward the think tank meeting at Fort Knox,

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I went, you know, I can't just give these people a briefing about this.

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This isn't just information.

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So rather than tell these guys I'm going to give you a briefing about it,

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I said, I'm going to initiate you into the first earth battalion.

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I said, to begin the ceremony this evening gentlemen,

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we're going to do a mantra.

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Take a deep breath, and as you let it out, sound yeeeeeee.

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At this point they laughed.

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A few people chuckled, a little bit embarrassed.

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And then I was able to say, excuse me,

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you've been given a set of instructions

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and expect you to carry them out at high level.

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See, tapping right into the military mindset.

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Second time we did it, I mean the place became unified.

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Jim took me to his garden.

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He said he'd perform for me the very same speech he performed

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for the commanders of the US military at Fort Knox back in 1979.

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Gentlemen!

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It's a great honor to have you here in this place of sanctuary

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where we can mend our wounds and dream our dreams about better service.

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It's time that all the armies of the planet join together.

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So join me in this vision of being all we can be.

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Because this is the place where the first earth battalion began.

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And this is the place where you, still with the full permission

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of the United States Army, have the right to think the unthinkable,

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to dream the possible.

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And with your service, intention and selfless nature,

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bring it about for others.

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The commanders were no longer laughing, Jim said.

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Like him, they'd been crushed by their experiences in Vietnam.

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It was as if the entire US Army was suffering from post-combat depression.

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So I was immediately appointed the commander of the first earth battalion.

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And is the first earth battalion still alive?

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Yes.

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Jim published his first earth battalion manual,

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and immediately throughout the Army, soldiers began to try and implement his ideas.

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It was like pulling the pen on a grenade and dropping it in a Pentagon.

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Really, it was that big?

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It was very powerful. I think it touched everybody that read it.

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Fresh strawberries!

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It rang true, especially rang true with combat veterans.

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It affected a lot of the command structure.

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And so a lot of people started thinking, how could we apply this?

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In the special ops areas of the intelligence units, how could we apply this?

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People started thinking out of the box.

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Bert Stubblebine was certainly influenced by it.

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He started thinking a lot out of the box.

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But there was a misunderstanding.

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Jim realized rationally that sensing plant auras and melting the hearts of the enemy with baby lambs were good ideas on paper,

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but weren't necessarily achievable skills in real life.

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In this case, we're really not trying to perform miracles.

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We're trying to take ordinary people that are in unfortunate and extremely dangerous situations

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and simply bring them to a level of competence.

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So we're aiming at a higher objective in order to get to a reasonable state of potential for the soldier.

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But Jim's superiors were literal minded men, hence General Stubblebine's many determined efforts to walk through his wall.

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You're reaching deep inside you, the things you've never known.

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All over the US Army in the 1980s, Jim's ideas were flourishing.

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In fact, their famous Be All You Can Be recruitment ads were inspired by Jim's manual.

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In the early 1980s, the Army offered Jim the opportunity to command a real first earth battalion,

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but he turned them down. He wanted his ideas to float out there.

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The first earth battalion would exist wherever someone became inspired to implement his ideas, however they chose,

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which is how they started staring at goats at Fort Bragg.

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It turned out that goat lab wasn't set up just so first earth battalion fans could stare at the animals.

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It was part of the more conventional Special Ops medical training.

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They'd break the goat's legs using actual force and then nurse them back to health.

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But once the goats were on base, the Jedi warriors took the initiative to stare at them.

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Did this explain how Michael Echanus had managed to kill one in this fashion?

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Was the goat already in a shaky medical condition?

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I decided to track down Michael Echanus.

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It may be surprising to learn that the man initiating this frenzied mock knife attack is a great fan of Jim

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Chanan's peace loving first earth battalion manual.

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His name is Pete Brusso and he's a former colleague of Michael Echanus.

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He teaches martial arts to marines here at Camp Pendleton in San Diego.

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The bad news is that Michael Echanus is dead.

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Pete said he'd tell me the strange story of how he'd come to die, but first he wanted to show me an invention of his.

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This invention is based on Jim Chanan's study of chakra points and eastern mind body philosophy.

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It's being carried today by the 82nd Airborne in Iraq. It's called the Predator.

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It's friendly to the earth and all the other things we talk about, but it has a spirit to it.

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Things we haven't taught you is you push knife, you can strike and push a person away.

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The pointed verses go in the people, you take this point and push down like that.

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And it's just that quick.

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It began to dawn on me that Pete had a broad definition of Jim Chanan's ideals.

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He goes, just simply place this here and they're down.

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And it's just punish the bejesus out of him. Get away from him.

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I'm going to grab him and shock him forward.

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If you were to grab, you use the kinetic energy aspect of that to remove him away.

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This is really a blessing for you.

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Oh yes.

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What do you think?

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Yeah, it hurts like hell.

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And now this is amazing. This is truly amazing.

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I'm only going to use two fingers and watch where you go.

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Isn't that something?

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Okay, yeah, yeah.

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And you want to punch at me because you don't like it, right?

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And you just let you run into this thing.

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I don't want to punch at you, I want to do it just like this.

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So you can easily hook a finger, for example.

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I only do this only for crown.

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Pete's predator was specifically designed to inflict carnage on chakra points,

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but even so it didn't seem very first earth battalion to me.

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Okay, okay, okay, stop.

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Stop, stop, please.

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I was soon to have a major breakthrough regarding my investigation into goat lab,

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but first Pete was going to hurt me even more.

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It's a great location.

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Nice and quiet.

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Original front door.

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Should open with a good kick.

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Don't worry about the alarm, it hasn't worked for years.

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No padlock.

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All our valuables are easy to find.

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Look, it's like a giant cat flap.

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So what do you think?

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Interested?

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Don't advertise your house to burglars.

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Keep it safe.

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Keep it locked.

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I'll travel.

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I said if you need a little help, I'll travel.

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I'll meet a real traveler.

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I said if you need a little help, I'll travel.

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I'll travel.

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I'll travel.

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Subway sandwiches.

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Made just the way you like it on freshly baked bread.

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With your favorite tasty vegetables.

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And mouth-watering sauces.

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More hot fillings like sweet onion chicken teriyaki or Italian meatball.

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You expect more and you get more.

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Subway.

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Eat Fresh.

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Believe me.

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Have you ever noticed how some companies seem to spend more effort chasing new customers

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than taking care of the ones they've already got?

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Well from now on BT with BT Together are offering UK weekend and evening calls

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for just 5.5p for a whole hour.

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Look, just to attract the Johnny Come Lake Liz,

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it's also for their most important customers of all.

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Every single one of them.

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He had slick back hair.

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Everything about him was completely caricatured.

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It looked like a lord. If you want to see a lord, you look at Lord Lucan.

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30 years on, with previously unseen footage, Lord Lucan's son speaks out for the first time.

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The hunt for Lord Lucan, Thursday at 9 on 4.

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Camp Pendleton, San Diego, and Pete Brusso was continuing to hurt me

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with his first earth battalion inspired predator.

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Pete was truly a maestro of violence.

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All I need to do is rub his head with it.

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You can do this, take an eyeball out.

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If I want a little pain compliance, I'll be as easy as I can.

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Little pain compliance.

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Later, Pete told me that you can grab an Iraqi insurgent

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with the predator, rip out his eyeballs, stab him in the neck.

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The blood would squirt out like a fountain all over his friends,

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and this would create a powerful visual psychic disincentive

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for the other insurgents to attack.

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It seemed to me that once the American army had recovered their strength after Vietnam,

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they saw that Jim Chanin's ideas could be used to destroy people rather than hail them.

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Back inside, Pete told me how Michael E. Chanis had come to me.

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The common story that he was killed in a helicopter crash in Nicaragua,

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that's not the story that I have heard.

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Michael Chanis was very much into key energy and projection

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and trying to bring that more esoteric aspect

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as opposed to gross motor skill, we're going to apply spirit behind things,

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mind, body, spirit type stuff.

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And to prove his mind, body, spirit, he used to let jeeps run over him.

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And if you slowly go over the body, the body can pretty much take that.

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If you hit it with any kind of speed, you've got kinetic energy, you're shocked to it.

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Well, the person driving a jeep didn't realize he was supposed to slow down too much.

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Oops, yes, and he took internal injuries and died.

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That's what I heard.

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Do you think that they then made up the helicopter story to kind of spare everybody's blushes?

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Could be.

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Either way, now that Echanis was dead, I was at a dead end regarding the death of Michael Chanis.

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I was at a dead end regarding my investigation into Goat Lab,

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but then we had a breakthrough.

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My producer, John Sargent, went to Las Vegas to interview a First Earth battalion fan

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called Colonel John Alexander, who is one of Al Gore's oldest friends.

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And the following conversation ensued.

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I wonder, have you heard of Michael Chanis?

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Have you heard of Michael Chanis?

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We were told that in the 70s, he was the chief trainer of Special Forces, a martial arts guy.

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Almost undoubtedly not true.

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We were told that in one corner of Special Forces, there was a training,

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a complete expert of martial arts who was a training fellow who could stare at a goat and stop its heart.

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You're talking about Guy Savelli?

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I was thinking of Michael Echanis.

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I think it's Guy Savelli.

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After much searching, we found Guy Savelli in Ohio.

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He confirmed the story and said in fact he's still practicing the technique.

468
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Only last week he stopped the heart of his hamster just by staring at it.

469
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,000
And you did this to your hamster? Or to hamsters? You did this to hamsters?

470
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:18,000
Yes, they died. I had the tape there. It goes around and I could stop from going around.

471
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,000
It was driving me nuts and you could say, I want to stop from going around.

472
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Well then I'm going to make it kind of sicker, not to feel the need to burrow under the sawdust like that.

473
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,000
And it just dropped dead?

474
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Well, we'll take a look at it instead. And I had a guy take care of it every night.

475
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
Take care of it every night.

476
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,000
What do you mean take care of it?

477
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,000
Feed it, water it.

478
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,000
So you knew that it was a healthy hamster?

479
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Yes.

480
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
And then you started staring? You started concentration?

481
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Three days, yeah. Three times.

482
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:54,000
Guy's involvement in the US military began with a telephone call out of the blue from Fort Bragg.

483
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,000
This was shortly after Jim Channon had published his First Earth Battalion manual.

484
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:07,000
Special Forces told Guy that they wanted him to teach the soldiers his particularly paranormal brand of martial arts.

485
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:14,000
This is the tape from Fort Bragg. It's a demo tape with the guys, the Special Forces in uniform.

486
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,000
It goes too slowly, it just clobbered in the hand.

487
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:28,000
I learned with a machete. I'm going to tell you something. They did this. One right after the other.

488
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:34,000
There wasn't like, oh, could it take a 10 minute break now? We did it. One. That alone is paranormal.

489
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Break it with their head, break it with their hands, break it with their feet. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

490
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Hit it here. Okay, let's get done. Let's get done as fast as we can. Who does that?

491
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:58,000
The man in the red trousers in this video is Guy Civelli.

492
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:09,000
You've seen the shield. The mental concentration. You see three of us standing here. We're all in good shape and not hurt.

493
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Special Forces were so impressed with Guy's techniques, they wanted him to go further to teach them what's known as remote influencing.

494
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:29,000
I taught them how to make a person forget what they're going to say.

495
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Really? I can teach them, oh yeah, you can do that. You can make a person forget what they're going to say easily.

496
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:40,000
And I said, this is what you do. And all you really say is in your head, basically you say, no.

497
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Do you play pool, billiards or anything? Do you ever get a person when you missed a shot and they were going to...

498
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:55,000
You missed your shot and you're going like, and they're going to shoot now. And you're like, and they missed their shot.

499
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,000
That's the same thing. It's the same thing.

500
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Is it like a tone of voice thing?

501
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,000
Yes, but you're doing it in your head. It's in your head.

502
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,000
You just go like, no, don't do it, don't make that shot. I'm going to lose.

503
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:12,000
You know, you get that feeling inside of you that you blew it and you want them to do the same thing.

504
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:22,000
Guy can't remember exactly how the conversation got around to goat staring, but he does recall at some point that night saying, let's give it a go.

505
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:29,000
I said, can you get a goat, get an EEG machine, hitch the goat up, you guys stay with it.

506
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,000
And I will try to knock the goat down and drop its heart rate.

507
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,000
So we got the goat the next day, set it up and we started.

508
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000
And you picture a golden road going up in the sky.

509
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,000
And I, because I'm Christian, I picture the Lord is up there.

510
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
And I picture myself walking up into the arms of the Lord.

511
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000
And I picture him put his arms around me when he does it.

512
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000
And I get a, I get a chill inside of me. And I know it's right.

513
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
So I did that.

514
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000
And I'm kind of asking for a way to knock this goat down.

515
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:04,000
So it comes to me that probably there was this one picture that we have of like St. Michael Yard Daniels just got this sword there like that.

516
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:12,000
So I got that picture in my mind and I kind of sent it over with my mind to where the goat was.

517
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:25,000
In my mind, I picture that St. Michael got this sword and was going through the goats and knocking it down to the ground.

518
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:33,000
And I got that inside of me. You can't even breathe. You're going like.

519
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
And you believe it.

520
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:43,000
And after about 15 minutes, I said, Lenny, you better go see. I don't know for sure.

521
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Because the goat was in a different room.

522
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,000
I couldn't, you know, it was 100 feet away. Yeah, I couldn't see it at all.

523
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000
No, I never saw it till afterward. I never saw it.

524
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,000
He went, he's, oh, it's down. I said, oh, cool. We did it. That was it.

525
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:01,000
So they wanted to do that test again. You know, and they wanted me to kill the goat.

526
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,000
They wanted to take the extreme, you know, kill the goat.

527
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Yeah, but let me just interrupt. Why did they, I mean, that wasn't that kind of good enough, you know, I mean, that's pretty amazing.

528
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,000
So why did they want to go one step further and kill the goat?

529
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:23,000
This was, I met with a bunch of military people and I guess they thought you could, whatever.

530
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Okay.

531
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:29,000
So we did another test then and we picked like 30 goats.

532
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,000
I said, what you want to do is you want to put a number on the goats.

533
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,000
He says, you pick the goat and you pick the number and I'll drop the goat.

534
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:44,000
And they picked the number and I concentrate, but it was just so, it was so peoed at them.

535
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:50,000
And the goat next to the goat with the number dropped.

536
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,000
Collateral damage.

537
00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Guy said he had all the videos at home, a video of the goat dropping and a video of his hamster dying.

538
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,000
He went off to find them and hour later he returned.

539
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,000
I didn't find the tape of the goat lab in Fort Bragg.

540
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:19,000
In the hamster one, I didn't, God, I just didn't even, I didn't even think to, we were, I thought, these guys are going to be there forever.

541
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,000
I have that tape too. I'll have to, I'll find them both for you when you come back. I have them.

542
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,000
The guy did bring one tape. This is much more recent.

543
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Special forces are staring at goats again post 9-11.

544
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:40,000
They secretly sent three soldiers up to Ohio to stare at a local goat at a veterinary surgery near Guy's house.

545
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:47,000
The goat is in the best part yet.

546
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,000
So these are special forces guys here.

547
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,000
What's the puncher? I don't know what it starts at. I was surprised.

548
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,000
So they have to take a baseline here.

549
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,000
So the concentration is going on now in another room.

550
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,000
Yeah, no, he's right there. Oh, the guy's right there doing it.

551
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Him or him? Who's didn't? No, it's away from them. It's neither of those two.

552
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,000
It's probably the guy, I would assume it's this guy right now that there's another guy right there. It might be him.

553
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,000
But we're going to see some kind of physical response on the goat's part.

554
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:40,000
Just as free as is there. The heart rate was around the mid 60s and dropped to 55.

555
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:49,000
The goat video seemed a little disappointing after all the build up, but then Guy explained that the goat was only being subjected to level one.

556
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:55,000
Then if you carry that further, the goat will topple over. Yes.

557
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,000
And then if you go even further than that, the goat could actually die. Yes.

558
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Okay, so we were seeing level one there. Yes.

559
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,000
And you level one is high. He level one is high.

560
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:17,000
Guy said that if I came back in a few weeks, he'd show me the video in which his hamster falls victim to level three death.

561
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Back at Camp Pendleton, Pete Brusso knew all about the goat's staring and he was sniffy about it.

562
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:33,000
He said it might be fabled, but it is basically a party trick. He said he could do it to me. Then he asked me to choke him.

563
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:40,000
Now, choke. Choke. Choke. It's okay.

564
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:46,000
I didn't want to choke, Pete. When I raised my hands, I saw that they were violently trembling.

565
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:53,000
I had assumed until that moment that we were essentially kidding around, but the sight of my hands made me realize that we weren't.

566
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:59,000
It'll take your brain three tenths of a second to realize what is occurring. And then after that three tenths, you're mine.

567
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:04,000
I'm going to touch you and that is it. I'm not going to even move my feet.

568
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:12,000
I'm going to project myself into you and you're going to go off my body as far as you can possibly want to be close to me.

569
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,000
Might I hit one of these things?

570
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Yes, you might. But that'll be half the fun to watch you fall over that.

571
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000
I'm really unafraid.

572
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,000
You're apprehensive, but like I said, I'll do it very easily. You can assume.

573
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,000
I 100% believe in your powers.

574
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,000
It's not just me. There's no shadow of doubt about it.

575
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,000
You have it too.

576
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,000
Will you bear all those things in mind?

577
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Absolutely.

578
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
I promise you. Absolutely, without question.

579
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,000
So I'm not a marine. I'm not young anymore. And I do not utilize my powers.

580
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:52,000
I do sometimes experience fear when something bad is about to happen to me, but I found that I was at this point abnormally debilitated with fear.

581
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,000
Just relax. Just relax.

582
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,000
We'll fly across the road.

583
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Yes.

584
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,000
It's very easy.

585
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,000
Okay.

586
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000
Okay.

587
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Overlinks a second.

588
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,000
You got to do this.

589
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:22,000
When we touch here and move, I'm literally going to move through your body and it's going to feel like we're going to pierce right through you and you won't be able to stand there.

590
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,000
Just like that. And I never moved.

591
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:31,000
I really did fail something that was freaky and nauseating. It was abject fear.

592
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,000
Pete said this was because he was projecting his thoughts into my head.

593
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:44,000
So when I was clearly a little afraid of you before you started doing that stuff, was that my own?

594
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,000
No, that was me. That was you.

595
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,000
That was a lot of me taking a whole of a very little gift you gave me.

596
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,000
The fact that I, as much as I tried to disguise my mind.

597
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,000
You were more concerned about it. So we'll just make sure he's really concerned about it.

598
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Okay.

599
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,000
We'll make sure that it really is bad. Okay.

600
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,000
The matter of thought projection, just I gave you the thought and you ran away with it. You were good at it.

601
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:13,000
Pete said I was the Iraqi insurgent being sprayed with the fountain of blood emanating from the neck of his friend.

602
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,000
I was the hamster. I was the goat.

603
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,000
In my head, I was in your head.

604
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,000
I got it.

605
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,000
The blues, man.

606
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:32,000
I got three shows tonight, one and two, which will help you run to the five o'clock.

607
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,000
I say you, I say you and me in here. I say yours.

608
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,000
I say our specks white and black. And it's not a day we don't care it war.

609
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,000
We get along whatever you say. But we won't belong to play. Get my car.

610
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,000
Turn the black out like it's gray. Turn the black out like it's gray.

611
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,000
No.

612
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,000
Can't blame them.

613
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,000
No.

614
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Reckoning it ain't the ambinector. Don't even bother.

615
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,000
That'll be the 735 from Dubbo. Yeah.

616
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Yeah.

617
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,000
I know you all know what I'm talking about. Don't be leaving me like that now. I see you.

618
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:52,000
Come on. I see you. Get dizzy with it. Make it all down.

619
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,000
I see you, baby.

620
00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:02,000
Shaking it ass. Shaking it ass. Shaking it ass. Shaking it ass.

621
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,000
Bergman, Bogart, classic.

622
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,000
I can't believe you think the Casablanca's a better film than the Godfather.

623
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Easily. It's got some of the best lines in any movie ever. Here's looking at you, kid.

624
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,000
I'd rather look the Marlon Brando, Antony Socks, off.

625
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,000
Come on, I think he had the socks in his mouth. I couldn't understand a word he said.

626
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,000
I think you'll find you want an Oscar for it.

627
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,000
The award for best mumbling goes to...

628
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,000
But Casablanca, now we want an ending.

629
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,000
Yeah, that was the best bit in my view when it ended.

630
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:33,000
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631
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,000
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632
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634
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,000
Are you okay?

635
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:03,000
Will you give UK music Hall of Fame after crazy rulers of the world?

636
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,000
The news is that Jim Shannon has been brought back from the UK.

637
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,000
The news is that Jim Shannon has been brought back from retirement

638
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,000
by the Army's Chief of Staff, General Shoemaker.

639
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,000
Donald Rumsfeld had asked for creative input into the war on terror,

640
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,000
but Jim won't tell me what his input is. This is all he'll say.

641
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,000
I am still the commander of the First Earth Battalion,

642
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,000
and I am still sought for my opinion.

643
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,000
And how many soldiers do you have in the battalion?

644
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,000
How many mines have read the manual?

645
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,000
I would say 20,000.

646
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,000
But the mindset of openness is stunning.

647
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,000
I mean, for the Chief of Staff of the Army to give me a mission,

648
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,000
to be with the top 30 majors in the Army.

649
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,000
And these are really top people.

650
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,000
The top people.

651
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000
Like who?

652
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000
Like the Chief of Staff of the Army.

653
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Back in Ohio, Guy Savelli has found his hamster video.

654
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,000
See, now they're just going around there and they're going to get started.

655
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,000
What's his behavior normally?

656
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,000
I had never done it before, so I'm trying to work with two hamsters,

657
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,000
like two mines there.

658
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,000
So I want to keep the one from going in, and I'm trying to make the other one sick.

659
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,000
The object is to keep them out of the wheel.

660
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,000
I'm trying to work on both of them separately,

661
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000
which I think is very hard to do.

662
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,000
Make one feel sick, and keep one out of the thing.

663
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,000
And you try to split your mind to do that.

664
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Do you concentrate? Like, you know, like you do it.

665
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,000
It's kind of like,

666
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,000
now this thing here is looking at me.

667
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,000
It was kind of bizarre, because he would just stare at me.

668
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,000
This little hamster is looking at me.

669
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,000
He's looking at the source, I guess. I don't know.

670
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000
Kind of like a bit more. You know what I mean?

671
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,000
More like.

672
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,000
See, look at this.

673
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,000
He's down. There he is underneath right there.

674
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000
There he is right there, accomplishing the task I wanted to do.

675
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,000
Look at what he's doing to that one. He's running on top of it.

676
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,000
You know, that's bizarre. He's right on top of the other hamster right there.

677
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,000
He's right on top of him.

678
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,000
So I thought, God, is he dead, or is he just sick?

679
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000
That's kind of nuts, isn't it?

680
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,000
To see it like that? Look at him.

681
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,000
That's kind of, he's right on top of the other one.

682
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,000
The other one's not even moving.

683
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,000
He's not moving.

684
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000
So I'm accomplishing my task there.

685
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,000
He gets more bizarre at the end.

686
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Get out of there, see?

687
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,000
But still, that isn't enough.

688
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000
He's trying to get out of there. In my mind...

689
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,000
And this isn't something that he normally does.

690
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,000
No. A hamster goes on top of the wheel and stays there.

691
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,000
The other one wants to go around.

692
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,000
You can see. He knows he wants to get out of there.

693
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,000
Get out of there. Somehow get out of that.

694
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,000
Get out of this ray that's going at him.

695
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,000
This is level two, right?

696
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,000
Yeah.

697
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,000
It's quite airy.

698
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000
Yes, it is.

699
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,000
And then the hamster got up, brushed itself down,

700
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,000
and the tape ended.

701
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,000
Later, Guy explained that he didn't want me to see the part

702
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,000
where the hamster dies because he was afraid

703
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,000
I was a bleeding heart liberal and would take it out of context.

704
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,000
But, he said, the hamster did die.

705
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,000
In the summer of 2004, Guy called me.

706
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,000
He said special forces had requested he'd travel covertly

707
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,000
to Fort Bragg with an animal.

708
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,000
Guy wouldn't tell me what kind of animal,

709
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,000
but he said it was small and cheap to purchase,

710
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,000
so I assume it was a hamster.

711
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,000
Guy says the animal-staring program is back.

712
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,000
When I asked him what motivated this,

713
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,000
this is what he said.

714
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,000
He said, I'm not going to be a hamster.

715
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,000
When I asked him what motivated this, this is what he said.

716
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,000
The soldiers responsible for these acts of torture

717
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,000
trained at Fort Bragg.

718
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Guy says the Fort Bragg commanders are horrified by what they did,

719
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,000
and so they've co-opted Guy to teach the soldiers

720
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,000
a new way of interrogating people.

721
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,000
They want to learn how to get a detainee to talk

722
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,000
just by staring at them.

723
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,000
The psychic power of the stare, Guy says,

724
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,000
is the kind and gentle way forward.

725
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,000
I am inclined to believe that Guy is telling the truth

726
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,000
about his reactivation.

727
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000
General Stubblebine is pleased to hear

728
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,000
that some of the techniques he pioneered are back

729
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,000
in George Bush's America.

730
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,000
If you take a pendulum from a clock

731
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,000
and you move the pendulum way out here,

732
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000
and then you let it go,

733
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,000
what does the pendulum do?

734
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,000
It's way back over here, okay?

735
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:15,000
My guess is that I had taken things out too far,

736
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,000
and when you let the pendulum go, it swam back way back over here,

737
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:26,000
and now pieces of them are being resurrected on somewhere out here.

738
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,000
Can you afford to get stale in the intelligence world?

739
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,000
The answer is no.

740
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,000
You cannot afford to miss something.

741
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,000
You don't believe that.

742
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,000
Take a look at 9-11 and airplanes

743
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:46,000
that were taking off but not learning how to land, okay?

744
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,000
And where did that information get lost?

745
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,000
You cannot afford to miss something

746
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,000
when you're talking about the intelligence world.

747
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,000
That's the story.

748
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,000
It's the story of the creativity of an institution

749
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,000
you would expect to be the last one

750
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,000
to open its mind to the greater realities.

751
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,000
But soon I would discover that some of Jim's ideas

752
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,000
are being applied in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay

753
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,000
in the most horrible ways.

754
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,000
You can rock around the clock tonight

755
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,000
with music legends of the 50s.